I'm going to bring Dr. Corey up.
We felt it was really important as part of the discussions today to have some patience
and talk about the journeys that they've been on.
Pierre has talked about his practice with Scott Marslyn, who's also here.
Today we're going to bring Pierre up to introduce a patient and her parents and talk about their
journey in finding a doctor that would treat them as well as go through some of the case
history and do a Q&A.
So I'm going to bring Pierre up right now to kick things off.
Okay, thank you.
So I just lost my patient and her family, but I see their shoes, so hopefully they're
going to come back.
I might get interrupted.
We're going to bring them up on stage.
And you know, today what I want to do is I'm going to present a case and I really just
want to tell the story so you can see everything that happened.
It's not really a medical lecture.
It's more just sharing what I think is an unfortunately typical and tragic journey
of our vaccine injured.
But first, before we go into Callie and her family's story, I kind of have to tell my
own because I'm unfortunately linked and it's related to this case.
If you could go to the next slide.
So obviously you know that I was a co-founder of this organization, but I've been involved
with another nonprofit for quite a few years.
It's an organization that used to be called the Foundation for Children with Neuroimmune
Disorders.
We later change it to Neuroimmune.org because it also involves adults.
But it's really an organization that was focused on increasing awareness of the disease that
used to be called pandas.
It's now called PANZ.
And if you don't know what PANZ is, it stands for Pediatric Acute Neuropsychiatric Disorder
Associated with Streptococcus and described over 100 years ago by Osler.
But it's a terrible disease that afflicts children in the case of my children was after
strep throats.
There are other infections that can trigger it, even COVID can trigger this syndrome.
And what happened was I got recruited by the University of Wisconsin and I left New York.
And when I got to Wisconsin about six months after we got there, my daughter started behaving
really strangely.
And we couldn't figure out what was going on.
And she was developing these really high neurologics, sort of motor symptoms.
She appeared very agitated and restless.
She was crying incessantly.
And she was actually 13 years old at the time, totally normal child, successful friends,
beautiful kid.
And she started to deteriorate and it started a journey over many months.
Where we saw 17 different providers, psychiatrists, neurologists, emergency room physicians.
She was admitted to the hospital twice.
She went to two psychiatric facilities which I removed her from within a week of arriving
both times because I knew they did not understand what was going on.
They kept telling me my daughter was essentially crazy.
Ultimately the brain trust in the system came up with a diagnosis of functional neurologic
disorder for my daughter if you don't know what that is.
It's basically telling a child that it's all in their head.
It's just some sort of psychological reaction to some trauma and that's why they're behaving
so strangely.
And I lost it a few times.
I almost attacked a psychiatrist once.
I think they were very close to calling security.
I literally was about to pummel them.
I was losing my mind really slowly.
And I've never been the same man since.
It destroyed me.
I have PTSD to this day so it's a little bit hard for me to talk about this case.
But a lot of people have commented on my weight and how I've lost weight.
You have to understand something.
When I left New York I was winning 4.5 squash tournaments.
I was a high level squash player, extremely fit.
And the journey that my family went through destroyed me.
I've never been under such unrelenting stress.
I had to wake up every morning to see a child with unremitting symptoms that almost nothing
would mitigate.
She was so uncomfortable.
She had relentless verbal ticks of moaning.
She just moaned and moaned and moaned and her hands flapped.
And she had a horrific startle reflex.
If you even whispered her name or door slammed or dog barked she would shriek.
And so she was completely incapacitated neurologically and we kept going to doctors.
And we would ask about pandas because I had heard about pandas and every time I asked them
they would say no it's not pandas.
Authoritively and confidently.
And I didn't realize that pandas like chronic Lyme and other diseases is completely not
recognized.
It's controversial.
And why do they not recognize these vaccine-associated and induced diseases?
These wars that we're having in the system where they don't recognize diseases.
And you know, what happened is that after this long journey my daughter almost died
one day in circumstances over which I don't want to get into.
But we got her to the hospital and my ex-wife who's also a pulmonary critical care specialist.
We were leaders at the University of Wisconsin.
We insisted that they bring our child to the ICU.
When my, the morning that we were, there was an emergency on the floor, Ella was literally
I thought, I didn't know what she was going to do.
I thought she was going to jump out the window.
She looked so uncomfortable.
And my daughter begged me for the white medicine.
And if you don't know what the white medicine is, propofol is white as it goes through the
tubing.
And she had once gotten propofol for an MRI.
And I think it was the only thing that relieved her extreme discomfort and agitation.
And we asked for them to put her on propofol.
They didn't.
They didn't have any other IV sedatives.
But she lived for two months in that ICU on and off IV sedatives.
It was the only thing that controlled symptoms.
We had to advocate for her care.
Every day on rounds it was a trauma to me because the ideas that they came up with in
there, always trying to figure out how to get her out of the ICU she was not ready yet.
And they wouldn't recognize her disease at first.
They were not treating.
And it became really a very agitated situation.
And I'm going to finish the story by saying that my daughter's life was saved.
My life was saved.
And my wife's life was saved by one doctor who finally came into the case.
And she said, this is an inflammatory brain disorder.
And she started to treat my daughter.
She got plasmapheresis and IVIG and pulsto steroids and rituximab.
And little by slowly our child came back to us.
And she's fully recovered now.
The point is that we were blessed to have a doctor enter our lives and fucking doctor
and save my family.
And I didn't know how to talk to that doctor.
Every time me and my wife talked to her we could just, all we had was just gratitude.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's all we could say.
I'm going to present this case because I think you'll understand why in a second.
If you guys could come up.
Cindy, I think I want you to start telling Callie's story.
And so what we're going to do is I'm going to have Cindy describe her journey before
reaching me and our clinic for care.
And then I'm going to go through, and I'm going to go through Callie's record of everything
that I did and everything that she suffered from.
And then at the end, I think Callie has some words to say to talk about her story and what
she's been through.
So, Cindy, if you're ready, you just have to say next slide.
Okay, next slide.
I'm technologically very limited, I used to type and use carbon copies.
So trying to do this, and Dr. Corey put it together for me, it's not going to be quite
as smooth as his.
Where are my words?
Next slide.
Okay.
Throughout my life, I've never believed in coincidences.
I found that God places the right people in our lives at the right time.
My problem is I have the patience of a nat, and I've never found that my net watch is
synchronized with God's.
He's usually a little bit late.
In February of 2021, my 10-year-old grandson, whose name is Grayson, developed Guillain
Beret after being exposed to COVID.
The doctor there believed it was that he must have come in contact with a mosquito bite
that had some kind of disease that caused it.
He made a miraculous recovery because he was able to get immunoglobin therapy.
But the doctor then insisted no one could come into contact with him unless they had
received their vaccines.
The choice to receive the COVID vaccine was very hot and divisive topic in our family.
One we'd been able to avoid up until this time, until our daughter called and said
that we would not be able to be around Grayson unless we were vaccinated.
Clea and I both have factor five lighten, and because of the publicity about the blood
clotting with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, we had held off having anything.
But we wanted to be involved in Grayson's life.
So we made an appointment with our general practitioner to specifically find out if there
was any risks involved.
He took a day, called us back and said, no, it should be fine.
There aren't any risks.
So I got my first vaccine, but Clea was still 15.
She couldn't get anything.
So we went in when she finally turned 16 because her 16th birthday was coming up and we were
going to have a clue-themed birthday party for her.
And in order for everybody to get together, it came up again as everybody going to be
vaccinated.
So September 2nd, she went in and she got her vaccine.
She had the normal complaints and ran the fever and everything.
But I was in there with her when she got it, and it was my second vaccine.
And the first thing she said is, I taste metal.
Do you taste metal?
And I blew it off.
I didn't think anything of it.
Next slide.
She was on her third day of menstrual flow at that time, and when we got home, she came
out of the bathroom and said, well, at least there's one good thing.
I'm not having a period anymore.
I'm not bleeding.
And I thought, OK, that's just fine.
She never had such a short period, but she'd never had another period for five months.
We told our general practitioner about it, and he goes, like, yeah, that can happen.
But after five months, we took her to a functional medicine doctor who texted her hormones and
found out that she had the hormones of a 90-year-old post-menopausal woman, and she had to be placed
on hormone therapy for her to return to having periods.
However, they come with tremendous cramping, and also she passes clots the size of, it's
like she's passing hot tamales.
So we celebrated her 16th birthday.
Everybody was dressed up as Clue.
September 21st, she went to bed normal.
Everything was fine.
September 22nd, I went into her bedroom, and it was like she had cerebral palsy.
I'd never seen anything like it.
My career prior to this was a nurse.
Her right arm was stuck up into her shoulder blade.
Her right leg was brought up back behind, was stuck on her head.
She was turned over, putting all of her pressure on her head into her mattress.
I thought, I tried to talk to her.
Nothing that came out of her mouth made any sense.
She was looking at me, and then her eyes went back into her head, and I was afraid she was
going to break her neck.
I worked with her, and suddenly, all of a sudden, she just collapsed.
I thought, okay, she's going to sleep, or she's passed out.
I ran to the phone, called my husband, and said, something's wrong with Cluea.
It's like she woke up with cerebral palsy, or she's having a stroke.
I don't know what to do.
When he got home, by that time, she seemed okay.
We sat down to have dinner, and all of a sudden, she fell off the chair onto the floor and
started having what I called seizures.
Next slide.
Actually, Cindy, you want to just play that video?
Can you go back to the last slide, and can you play the video?
She has headphones on because she's never seen these videos of herself, and she doesn't
want to hear them.
I think, can you play back there, Tom?
Yeah?
Okay.
It's the top right video.
It's just kind of fluffy here.
Like, I'm genuinely trying.
Love you, Kelly.
I love you.
I started taking videos because I couldn't get people to believe me.
As you see it, it's impossible to understand or comprehend.
We had watched the whole movie.
My husband and I, one night, when she had passed out, bring on fire, and we both just
looked at each other like, that's Kelly.
This is it.
We wanted to get her to someone.
If you look, this is how she wrote, I can't see where it is, but anyways, it says, peanut
butter crackers.
And I asked her to draw three o'clock.
I drew the circle, I put the arrows on there, and she tried to place the arrows or the numbers.
You have to understand that Cleo was a straight A advanced geometry student that was planning
on becoming a veterinarian.
Now she couldn't talk, she couldn't write, and when she texted, still, things are upside
down backwards.
The letters are upside down and backwards.
We are now doing flashcards to learn addition and subtraction again.
Cleo refers to her seizure movements as episodes and the time in between as commercial breaks.
Her episodes lasted for hours, five hours at a time, and then she would have a 15 minute
break.
As times went on, her episodes became stronger, more frequent, and the commercial breaks were
less.
October 9th of 2021, we'd had enough.
We packed her up.
We live in Minnesota, and we packed her up and we drove down to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester,
Minnesota.
When we arrived, she was seizureing, her legs were twisting all over the place, the nurses
ran and got in a wheelchair, took her right past everybody else sitting, and took her
right into the ER, into the thing.
When they started doing the intake, I made the mistake of saying this started after her
COVID vaccine.
You could feel the tension in the room.
It was like they were done.
We sat there for an hour before anybody came in.
Her oxygen saturation dropped down to 82.
I ran out to the desk and the nurses said, yes, we're monitoring her out here.
But if you watch, she goes back to 90 pretty fast, so they weren't really worried about
it.
Finally, the doctor came in, and the first thing she said is, I showed her the videos
that I've been taking.
Are these videos now here?
Yeah, this video.
Can you play this video, please?
This is Callie in the mail at the time.
You'll also see the oximeter readings up there.
This is not at the mail, but these are other times at home because I take pictures of these
things because I'm a crazy mom.
My husband and I, we're just making things up.
So I showed this to the doctor.
She looked at it for a couple of seconds and then said, I'm an emergency room doctor.
This isn't an emergency, and it's not life-threatening.
I am not going to waste any more time or your money running tests.
I've made arrangements for you to see the neurologists here at the Mayo Clinic on March
29th of 2022.
We were there October 10th.
When we left, Callie collapsed into her dad's arms and said, if I'm going to live like this,
I don't want to live.
She's sobbing.
She's 16.
She's done.
So it wasn't very long, and I got a phone call from my daughter who lived in Sioux Falls
South Dakota.
Sorry.
I just want to point out, this is very disturbing to me as a pulmonologist.
She's clearly struggling to get air in and her heart rate starts to rise and Cindy's calling
it out as it's rising.
It's hard to fake a heart rate going up to 130 like that in respiratory distress.
It's also hard to fake a sad of 52%, which occurred later on in the home.
Sorry.
No, that's fine.
My husband, Joe, asked the doctor, it takes us five hours to get here.
If we stay in town, is there any chance that there would be a cancellation that we would
be able to get into seeing the neurologist?
Her response was curt and cold.
She said, if it was my own daughter, I couldn't get her in any sooner than March, no.
Our daughter called up and she'd seen a friend of hers who was a PCA within the neurology
department in Sioux Falls, showed her a video call, and she said, I think I know what it
is.
If they can get here tomorrow by 10, we'll see her.
We were so excited we were there that night.
When we got in to see her, she was having an episode unable to communicate, and the doctor
watched her for a couple of seconds and then said, is it okay with you, Clea, if your mom
and dad leave the room?
She blinked because that's all she could do, and one blink meant yes, two blinks meant
no.
So we left and we thought the doctor was going to come out in the hall to talk with us, tell
us what she was seeing with Clea, but instead she stayed in there and asked Clea, is there
any chance that either your mom or dad have been sexually molesting you either now or
in the past?
And then she followed that up when Cali blinked no and said, why are you doing this to yourself?
The doctor had us come back in the room and she told us your daughter has functional neurological
disease.
She was going to set up teletherapy with us with an FND specialist out of Nebraska.
It was by a Catholic organization, but they would take anybody with faith.
So we were excited, we finally had a label.
So we did our telemedicine thing, Cali was into an episode at that time.
So the doctor started talking to us and she wanted to know, what do I do when it's like
this?
Well, the whole right side of Cali's body is what's affected.
She goes into Charlie horse like contractions, the ones in her back are this big.
I sit and I rub and I massage and I talked to her, she said, stop it.
You're enabling her.
This is all trying to get your attention.
You need to stand away from her and you need to tell her, when you stop doing this, then
I'll give you a massage.
Don't encourage this behavior.
She asked how she got to the bathroom.
I said, well, she usually does the army crawl because we had one step from the family room
into our kitchen.
Then I lay around a blanket and I pull her into the bathroom.
Stop doing that.
You need to put her into a depends undergarment and she'll learn once she starts wetting herself
or defecating in the depends that she will get to the bathroom.
You will find this will stop.
I couldn't do it.
Our next appointment when I told her that, she was very upset with me, told me I was
an enabler and my daughter was never going to get any better.
I couldn't stand watching my daughter scream for hours and writhe in pain and tell her,
I'll take care of you, but I will rub her until my arms burn to get rid of the muscle
cramps.
Do you play the video?
Sorry.
Oh, yes.
I'm sorry.
I don't know what's a video.
A hundred times when she would be like this, my husband or I would try and get in front
of her to protect the walls or something.
She lifted me up in the air and held me there.
I couldn't get down until my husband came and got me.
One time she was doing this, breaking the back at the bottom of a solid oak bed.
My husband laid across her and she lifted him 25 times.
The more you try to restrain her, the harder it would become.
We went back to our general practitioner trying to get him involved.
He didn't want anything to do with it.
His comments were, I haven't seen her in the ER very much and I've been watching to see
if she's gone to the ER because we have rent-a-docs for the ER.
My husband stood there and played a video of her screaming.
He had had to leave the house because it was screaming, it was killing his ears.
He said, we can't get her there.
We asked for him to take care of it and he said, okay, I'll see her.
Joe asked if he could do an EKG.
Her resting heart rate became 140.
If she changed from a chair to the recliner, it would go to 180 and she would pass out.
So they did an EKG, came back abnormal and he said, well, the abnormalities aren't that
far out of range.
It's kind of things that will happen to a girl her age.
But he put her on at a van four times a day.
We could give that to her when it got too bad.
So she starts having an episode.
Joe can't stand it.
He said, okay, call the ambulance.
We're going.
They want to see this.
We got in there.
The ER doctor came in, another rent-a-doc and he said, what do you want from me?
She's got a diagnosis of FND.
We can't even keep her on the gurney in the ER.
She's going in between.
She's contorting.
She's all over the place.
My husband said, fix her.
He said, she's got FND.
He said, no one's listened to her, hurt.
Nobody's done any blood work.
Do something for her.
He said, okay, we'll rent a CT scan and get some blood work.
He left.
The nurse said, I've been here 20 years.
I've never seen anything like this.
They couldn't get her body to settle down enough to get her into a CT scan.
They gave her two shots of something to relax her and something for pain.
Waited.
It didn't work.
They gave her two more shots.
Didn't work.
So they started an IV.
She started to get down to where she was like palsies and tremors, but now her blood pressure
was dropping into dangerous categories.
He said, I can't give her anything more.
It's going to be a black box warning.
Didn't know what that meant, but it sounded bad.
So they finally got her into the CTs, brought her back, he came back in and he had a totally
different attitude.
He said, I'm from Boston.
I called some of my friends and you didn't hear this from me, but they're starting to
see some things with people that have been vaccinated.
I'm going to refer you to another neurologist.
We got there.
Now we're December 10th.
Got to the neurologist.
She's spasming.
So bad that she's falling out of the wheelchair.
Joe and I lifted her onto the table.
The neurologist came in, no examination, nothing else, because she's seen the FND diagnosis.
She walked over to Kalia and said, we're going to get a team together and you're going to
be better in six months.
We never saw that neurologist again.
She set us up with a physical therapist by Zoom.
And after six weeks, Kali was able to hold on to a chair and stand for a minute in physical
therapy with me standing there to catch her.
Her entire body convulsing and they thought that was progress.
We took her in to a pain specialist who said she thought she had Ehlers-Danos hypermobility
and finally put her on low dose naltrexone.
They've sent her for an MRI that she had to be sedated for.
All of these things come back normal.
There's nothing wrong with her.
She's just doing this to herself.
So another time we took her into the ER by ambulance and that ER doctor told her, I don't
know why you keep coming in.
We can't do anything for her but give her Ativan and Tylenol and you can do that at
home.
From that point forward, anytime Kali was bad and we suggested going, she said, why?
They're never going to do anything for me.
All they want to know is why am I doing this to myself?
This is Kali before.
Kali raised, she rented a goat because she loves animals and wanted to be a veterinarian.
Took it to state fair.
She's throwing kids up in the air in the pool.
The first person that I found on YouTube because Kali doesn't sleep, we get maybe three or
four hours of sleep at night.
Regardless of all the medication that she's on, which would knock out a horse, she finally
passes out at about three o'clock in the morning.
So I was on YouTube and I found a Dr. John Campbell out of the UK who was interviewing
Kyle Warner.
Kyle was a professional mountain biker who had received a COVID vaccine and was dismissed
by doctors when he presented at the ER with a heart rate of 150 to 160 and his normal heart
rate was 58 to 60.
He ended up in bed for months just like Kaliya.
This caught my attention and he mentioned he was working with, I apologize to you Dr.
Merrick, a Dr. Paul Merrick and other doctors with the FLCCC.
Given the fact that Dr. Paul Merrick had an English accent, I was sure he wasn't going
to be available and I started looking for doctors in the FLCCC that were in America
that I could maybe get to see Kaliya.
June of 2022, I'd been up with Kaliya, it was four o'clock in the morning.
I fell back on the bed crying and whispered, God I can't do this anymore.
I don't have the strength, I can't keep up, I can't lose Kaliya, please, don't let her
die.
I buried my son at 30, I couldn't lose another child.
I needed someone to help her, I needed a miracle.
Got through the tears, reached over and grabbed my computer on the side of the bed.
And I started watching Senator Ron Johnson and I found it December 8th, 2020.
Homeland Security and Government Affairs hearing on early treatment of COVID-19.
Senator Johnson was stating that he'd had a previous meeting with this doctor that he
was going to be having on and that he'd gotten over eight million views.
He'd gotten contacted by other doctors thanking him for having this Dr. Pierre Corey on because
it had helped them save many of their own patients' lives.
Dr. Corey got my attention because, pardon my French, he was pissed off at a Senator
who had implied that he was politically motivated and he was taking this guy down.
The thing that got me was he was wearing his shirt and he went, and I could see the exhaustion.
This was a guy who was traumatized and emotionally depleted just like me and he was pleading for
them to help him get the studies out that he and his colleagues at FLCCC had had and
he was talking about that there was a disproportionate amount of numbers of people that were being
affected that were elderly, black, and Latino.
I started looking for Dr. Pierre Corey and weirdly enough I found a YouTube video of
him dancing in his scrubs with his little girls to I'm Too Sexy for My Shirt.
At that time I couldn't imagine Dr. Paul Merrick doing the same and I knew I had the right
guy for my personality.
I found the number for FLCCC, found Dr. Corey, and he's the reason that my daughter Kalia
is here and alive today.
As I said at the beginning, I don't believe in coincidence.
My faith and my daughter's faith, which amazes me because it's beyond my own, is what got
us through.
God places the right people in your life at the right time and it's never too late.
So I want you to know that none of us are here by chance or coincidence.
We're here today because you're going to be important in someone else's life.
I'm going to try to get through this.
So I literally put out a continuous medical record on these slides and know they're busy.
I think I'm going to read every word of the first few and then I'm just going to highlight
some of the major events that I documented in my chart.
I tend to write pretty detailed notes and I think they're important to read.
Now you're going to see this case from a physician.
I just want to say, maybe we'll start with the third slide.
So if you could forward to the next video, earmuffs, Kelly.
So this is what I saw approximately what I saw during the first visit on video.
You can go back to the first slide.
So we started the visit and I saw a child in distress.
She was shrieking.
It was much louder than that.
It was high pitch and it was squealing and her legs were kicking up and down and her
parents were sitting there.
We were trying to have a visit.
I thought the parents were crazy for trying to have a visit in that situation.
And also I was starting to become traumatized because I saw my daughter.
And so I asked them to go to another room and I took a history and this is what I documented.
So this is a 16-year-old fully functioning female who prior to vaccination liked to perform
and sing in new plays.
In September 2021, she was vaccinated in the middle of her period which caused her to stop
that day.
Within an hour of injection, she complained of a metallic taste in her mouth.
She then developed body aches, fever and felt severe malaise for three days.
Although the malaise initially resolved, the aches have never stopped to this day.
Initially the aches were in her legs but then moved to pain and aches in her bones.
Soon after, she started to complain of brain fog given that she couldn't concentrate or
do work.
After the vaccine, her mother felt she was developing cerebral palsy.
She started developing what they called seizures.
Although consciousness was retained, she couldn't communicate, she was frothing at the mouth.
Yet she could hear and remember her parents during these episodes.
She was mad when people walked away from her during them.
This episode of body shaking and squealing would go for four hours and then stop for
50 minutes and then would go on for another four hours.
That's what she called a commercial break.
After these episodes, she was in contorted positions with her limbs contracted and stiff.
She could not feed herself because she could not control a spoon or a fork.
She was drinking through straws.
During these episodes, she did not like restraining by her parents.
She remembered all of the episodes.
Next slide.
She continued limb contractions, stiffness and contortions could not walk and her parents
had to drag her to the bedroom on a sheet and she was fed by her parents.
Her mother noted that at night she had to sleep there because she noted that her daughter
would stop breathing.
It would desaturate to 82% and the mother had put her on a CPAP machine in order to
help her breathe.
There were three episodes of this.
These episodes of thrashing, squealing and contortions would last four hours and then
break for 15 minutes with the majority occurring after activity.
Her father says that she pays for activities afterwards.
For example, she can ride a horse for two hours but then pays for it as the episodes
will then not cease for six hours.
She went to the rodeo for the other day and although Callie said that it was worth it,
but she had many severe symptoms after she arrived home.
She also has many episodes of thrashing and contortions when she then locks into stiffness.
She has broken off the foot pedals of her wheelchair multiple times.
Other symptoms include fatigue, post-exhaustral malaise, temperature dysregulation.
She often feels hot and cold and also develops chills and sweats.
Her skin has become very sensitive such that she doesn't want to be touched.
In addition, her scalp and her hair bother her.
All of these symptoms get worse at night.
I just want to take a moment to say that one of the hallmarks of an inflammatory brain
disorder is the disease gets worse as the day gets longer.
I lived the same life as Joe and Cindy for years.
Being terrified when nightfall was coming because you watched your daughter deteriorate
and get more and more and more uncomfortable.
Getting her to sleep was like a miracle when she would finally fall asleep and you didn't
see the suffering anymore and that was over and over and over again.
Now you guys know why I gained 60 pounds.
I couldn't handle that stress and I treated myself with everything you're not supposed
to treat yourself with.
I started to suffer and I was deteriorating and while we're talking about how we get
through these things and I'll just continue.
My summary at that time was fatigue, post-excursion malaise, brain fog, dysautonomia, sensory
neuropathy, motor neuropathy, skin sensitivity, severe repeated dystonic episodes, occasional
episodes of central sleep apnea causing severe hypoxemia requiring non-invasive ventilation,
system diagnosis, fucking functional neurological disorder.
Sorry.
Impression, long vax, post-vaccination interview syndrome and I just detailed the mechanisms.
I think Cindy and Joe had managed to get low-dose naltrexone that they had learned from the
FLCC protocol and they had felt that it had made some impact at that point with some lessening
the severity and frequency of her episodes.
Next slide.
I started on the usual.
You've seen a number of us start similar in the cases yet yesterday.
I gave her a pretty broad range of micronutrient supplementation.
That is a long time ago.
I do things a bit differently now.
I also felt some of her older medicines for ADHD might have been of value just because
I didn't like that they had stopped them and she had been doing well on them.
I just didn't want to be that as a reason to make her worse.
Next slide.
I still remember this visit because Cindy is like, she's doing great.
Then I start to take a history and I'm like, are you kidding me?
I didn't think she was doing that great.
I get it.
You've got to be there.
You've got to see what life is like.
Any improvement is like a miracle.
She reported that she's having less big seizures, but last night she had one and also in the
early afternoon.
During these episodes she sometimes can talk, although sometimes she can't.
She has them every day.
They're less severe, less frequent.
She still can't go out to do prolonged activities, but on a good day she does go out for a walk.
She recently did a jet ski for 15 minutes.
She frequently does word puzzles, which is a big change, but at 30 minutes she couldn't
do it.
She was having three good days a week, but only two good nights a month.
I can just tell you, we don't even have to ask Cindy, what she defines as a good night
is not a good night.
It's just a less miserable one night.
Her worst days are when she can't talk, can't see, and where she can't breathe.
A sat of 68 with your child there and you're seeing her lips start to turn blue and you're
in the home and you know you can't bring her anywhere.
Luckily they had CPAP in the home and they were saving her life repeatedly.
Tramadol seemed to have eased some of the immense pain she was suffering.
The descriptions of the pain in her bones, especially at night, were excruciating to
listen to.
The core of what we do as physicians is try to relieve suffering and I get to figure out
how to do that in any way I could.
I gave her more.
Tramadol, I really felt that we had to address microclotting and so we started on triple.
In the interim they went to a children's hospital, which I got to tell you, the death
knell of this kind of case is if you get an EG and it's non-apoleptic seizures.
What that's called in medicine is pseudo seizures and that just means she's crazy.
All of those contortions, everything she's making it up.
They're not real electroencephalographic causes, so it's got to be in her head.
They have no concept of subradiographic neuroinflammation.
The entire field of neurology does not understand inflammatory brain disorders.
That's why I've been involved with that non-profit for years.
We've been trying to fund research, education, holding conferences, trying to teach doctors
to recognize what is an inflammatory brain disorder.
There are kids filling psychiatric hospitals who have inflammatory brain disorders.
That's my first one.
That's still a war that I continue to fight and now there's some sort of nexus here and
I hope we have more awareness of the fact that neuroinflammation and what it does.
But that will further support the diagnosis of functional neurologic disorder.
So again, they go back to the system and they're thrown away.
However, let's talk about some good stuff.
We're starting to see some improvements here.
So within two days, improved thought clarity, started to communicate better.
Periods of having their daughter back, longer commercial breaks, she can last further into
in the evening before she completely decompensates.
She can walk more and I still remember that visit, Cindy, when you started talking about
how you said, she gets angry now and you said it in such a positive way and I was like,
what?
She's showing emotion.
She gets angry at me, but she also can express joy and happiness.
So the child was not able to express any emotions and so just the simple fact she could express
anger was really moving to them.
But then she had another episode with her heart rate down to 34, bradycardia with hypoxemia.
You're literally peri-arrest.
This is what's happening to them in their home.
Her pain got a little bit less, nights were still tough, I had decided to increase the
naltrexone.
I have to use this following drug called U-Brelvia.
It's a migraine medicine, has very interesting mechanisms.
I learned about it from a patient whose neurosurgeon was vaccine-injured, went into an urgent care
somewhere in California and some geeky guy in urgent care told the neurosurgeon, you need
this drug, U-Brelvia.
The neurosurgeon took it, all of his symptoms resolved.
And then gave it to my patient who had a tremendous response and so at that time I was using it.
Since then, I've not found it to be consistently helpful.
It's very difficult to access because it's a migraine medicine, you only get eight a month
and that was another thing that me and the family had to go through.
But next slide.
We tried U-Brelvia.
Within one day she told her parents, I am getting better.
She said she felt like herself more.
She started to walk upstairs for the first time since being ill.
She was having feelings, and this is such a cute part.
She was having feelings of depression and her parents exposed her to Carol Burnett shows.
And Callie somehow reached out to Carol Burnett and they started a texting relationship and
Carol Burnett was trying to support her, this young girl who was sick.
And I just, I think that's beautiful.
And you know, she can't talk, but she can sing.
I mean, neuro-inflammation is so crazy, you guys have no idea.
You saw some of those videos.
That is neuro-inflammation.
They just strange motor things that don't follow typical anatomic patterns.
They're not seizures, but they use uncontrolled movements.
And then she becomes, you know, a phasic.
She can't talk, but she can sing.
Right?
She's crazy.
And obviously the writing backwards is absolutely diagnostic.
All the children with inflammatory brain disorders, you tell them to do a clock face.
You tell them to do a house.
They do everything upside down and backwards.
You can see that the processing is completely messed up in the signaling in the brain.
And then when she was off U-Brelvia, she'd get this diamond headache, you know, from
her ears to the crown to the base of her skull, which was very severe.
Then another horrific episode of desaturation, but she started going to bed easier.
She started doing more activities.
She still needed benzos.
You know, I did a double dose trial of ivermethane, because sometimes I find about 30% of patients.
When I double the dose, they get even more benefit.
She had benefited from ivermethane.
I continued.
I started doing more of the arginine, nitric oxide pathway, and then I started to proceed
to treat her for MCAS.
And then other problems started to happen, resting heart rates were high.
They would bump up hugely with activity.
She was still very sensitive.
Mom and dad said Cali made about a 70% recovery, okay.
And she still had issues with brain fog.
Next slide.
Still with severe episodes, still with lots of pains, loss, but she was able to attend
homecoming, which was a huge event.
I mean, she had to leave because of the strobe lights, but she actually was able to go to
her homecoming, still suffering from all these episodes.
But at the bottom, when she takes ubrella, the days are much better.
In fact, her mother describes them as miraculous in that she seems like herself.
She even sings and she complains of no headaches or pains.
Next slide.
Still struggle to eat.
She started having very pickiness with foods, but some of her sensitivities improved so
she could wear jeans again.
She couldn't tolerate having jeans on her legs.
And her medication list was increasing.
Then we had to focus on increasing ubrella supply.
I won't tell you how I did it, but we figured it out.
Metoprolol, Zeta-Aid, which I can talk about later.
And then I still went back on the cardinal miracle.
Keep going.
Next slide.
Ubrella has changed Cali's world, alert and cognizant within an hour of waking.
However, that requires an out of hand to get muscles to work, maintaining a consistent
supply as an issue.
We've had times without ubrella.
He has sundowner type symptoms.
The metoprolol was world changing.
The headaches were lessening.
She proudly reported that since April 1st to date, and that was May 16th, she only had
five episodes of the kind of unresponsiveness and drooling, but she's still having problems
at night.
Next slide.
I just randomly took this one if you could play this video.
Next slide.
Another update.
You've given our bad ass daughter back to us.
She's auditioning for a musical and a play on Saturday, something we couldn't have envisioned
11 months ago.
She's very gifted, and we have no doubts we'll be cast.
Our prayers were answered when we found you testifying the reality of vaccine outcomes
with Dr. McCulloch.
Next slide.
Cali auditioned for and received a part in Adam's family musical.
She's attending practice sessions.
She's doing excellent.
She takes her walker.
She's doing a 30 minute drive to and from the theater.
She's tolerating all of this with only complaints of leg pains.
Never would we've imagined.
She wouldn't even think about doing so with this thing.
She's alert, vibrant, and talkative until 9.30 at night or later.
She then becomes incoherent and has spasms before sleep, but she's determined and sings
constantly.
Next slide.
I showed Cali a follow-up, overall doing bledder.
She's in the play.
Afterward she suffers from severe fatigue, still with the frozen episodes in the morning.
New symptom of hot spots, which is a feeling of a burning in the hole or pressure in the
head.
By the way, if you deal with this disease and treating all my patients, every visit,
people just come up with totally bizarre, weird symptoms that I have no idea how to
explain.
But this is like one of them.
So every day I have to hear this from numerous patients, you know, Dr. Corey, this weird
thing is happening where there's like this cinder block feeling that's pushing on my
leg left temple.
I know what that is.
This is what you need.
Suzanne, right?
Isn't that how it works?
She also describes a symptom she calls sonic legs, where she finds that as she tries to
walk she suddenly bursts into a run and she finds this uncontrollable.
So there are times where she's going up the steps and she suddenly takes three steps at
a time.
Even when she lies down, her legs continue doing kicking and walking movements and this
can last 30 to 45 minutes before stopping.
Next slide.
Play this video.
Okay, this one's on.
I'm going to talk about this later, but I probably shouldn't do this, but I have another
patient I call Callie's twin.
It's someone who's similarly affected with lots of really abnormal neurological movements
who also has the same symptom.
In fact, when he darts up from the couch and starts to run, his brother has to chase after
him and tackle him because he'll run into walls.
He doesn't even know how to slide.
He has no control over the legs.
Suzanne, maybe at some point you could explain what sonic legs are and why they happen, but
no clue.
Anyway, random anxiety, episodes of brain fog, times when she comes mute, she can't talk.
However, if her mom puts on the radio, she can sing along with songs perfectly.
If she doesn't take it, she has more headaches with the uberelvis.
She starts running backwards.
That's cool.
Her brain fog worsens and she tends to zone out and become mute more often.
I started ANAC, high dose vitamin D, and we started some other things for neuroinflammation.
Next slide.
This is her singing while mute.
I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength, but sometimes I wonder what
He can do through me.
No great success to show.
We tried a higher dose of uberelvis, and she actually got some benefit from it.
However, next slide, she couldn't tolerate it.
She developed a side effect, which is a tremendous dry throat where she couldn't swallow, so
we had to go back down on the dose.
Things continue to prove.
Now we're in July.
It's about a year later.
She's doing a little bit more time out on the jet ski, which she loves, smiles her ear,
and she pays for it with symptoms afterwards, but she's full of life and she wants to live
life and she'll pay for it just to live.
All of my patients do that.
Then things don't go so well.
She's kind of plateaued, although she's still going out.
She's still struggling with spasms, night times are still bad.
We're starting to explore and entertain stem cell exosomotherapy, and it wasn't a good
day.
Next slide.
Again, uncontrolled seizures are coming back, difficultly tolerating medicines, especially
higher doses.
I wanted to go a little bit more aggressively with the mass cell.
I think that had been kind of neglected a little bit, so I refocused treatment for that.
I started glutamate neurotransmitter inhibitor, and then some more vitamin D. Next slide.
Things actually improved.
The ketotaphin really made an impact.
Her sleep pattern is miraculous.
Muscle spasms, mild in comparison to everything we've seen, microcurrent therapy was going
on.
She's using flash cards.
I just showed the tremendous impact of going after the mass cells more aggressively.
Next slide.
Continue to approve.
Menstrual periods really wreaked havoc with all of her symptoms.
Next slide.
And then just another one more episode, Callie earmuffs.
I think I showed this one.
The dog comes to visit and drops her a bone.
And now we're coming up to, we tried double dose hydroxychloroquine, unfortunately, and
then the tremors were really bad, and the family has a history of actually lantel subluxations,
so they're concerned about that.
And then another horrible episode of central sleep apnea, but she was functioning well.
Unfortunately, the hydroxychloroquine was causing some increased tremors, and we had
to discontinue it.
And just to summarize, these are the things that I've done.
These are the effects that were reported.
To give you guys an example, I think, you know, iteratively, a lot of things work.
I actually have a lot more work to do with her.
I think we need to explore a few other things.
I definitely think we need to do an MRV for iliac vein compression, which we have ordered,
but we're still trying to figure out where to get that done.
They live in a kind of rural area of, it's Minnesota, right, Cindy?
Minnesota?
Yeah, and the doctoring up there is not so good.
So we want to get her like a really good radiologist, and we have to figure out how to arrange that.
As you can see, before I saw the LDN, it seems to have helped her lessen the severity.
Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, fluvoxamine, which I don't use much anymore, but I was
at that time less frequent in severe episodes, increased duration, tramadol was for the pain.
The clonopin was something that they were using.
It was the only thing that could get her unstuck in the morning just to start her day.
I mean, she's literally trapped in her body.
Triple therapy did tons of stuff for the brain, you know, brought back some emotions,
stroke symptoms went away, the drooling and frothing at the mouth decreased.
Ubrella gave her herself back.
She just felt like herself more.
She was able to sing songs.
She was going to bed earlier.
Obviously, the metoprol really helped with her dysregulated dysautonomia.
Zeta-8 was helpful, but later on could not be tolerated.
And then ketotaphin really helped with her sleep and a lot of the muscle spasms.
And so with that, I just wanted to sort of trace their journey through the system and
with me.
And I got to tell you, I'm really happy that I helped her.
But I also want to be quite humble.
The other patient that I have who's little older than her and is as sick as her,
everything that I've treated Callie with, I've treated him with, and it's barely made a dent.
This patient has paralysis, dystonic and balismus episodes throughout the day, every day.
Balismus is when you have sudden flinging of the extremities and you have no control of it.
He punches walls and they have patches of walls all over their apartment.
His brother has to tackle him and stay on top of him in the living room because he has such
violent balismus episodes.
And nothing I've done has been able to impact him.
And what's fascinating about his case is he got pulse dose steroids at one point.
Some neurologists decided to pulse him and he became completely normal for five days.
And when he went back from wall pulse, they wouldn't give him any.
And then he got to me and I used very high doses of steroids, had zero impact, zero impact.
IVIG hasn't helped that patient.
But I do think it's still something we have to explore with her.
And this picture I found and the stuff that Cindy sent to me, and
this is a few months into her illness.
And they couldn't have anyone over for Christmas because Callie couldn't handle it.
It'd be too stimulating for her.
And they asked her to try to smile.
And that's a very sick child trying to smile.
And so Callie, I think I'm going to ask you if you could share
some of your thoughts of what you've been through and what you think about everything we've talked about.
When this nightmare started, I found myself trapped inside my body,
unable to communicate so I could receive help.
My parents were begging me just to tell them what to do to help me.
When I tried to speak, they couldn't understand what I was saying.
It just came out as noise.
All I could do was blink or squeeze their finger in my hand.
I started with one blink for yes and two for no.
Once at a restaurant, my body just collapsed and my face went onto the table.
My eyes were closed.
My dad held my hand on his leg to comfort me.
And I took my finger and wrote on his thigh, I'm here.
When I was able to talk to my dad,
he asked, what did I'm here mean?
I told my parents when I say I'm here, it means I hear everything.
I'm not asleep.
I'm stuck inside my body.
Do not leave me.
Talk to me.
Touch me so I know you are still here with me.
When I'm stuck inside my body, it is so scary and I feel alone.
But I've learned God is with me and it helps me survive.
I always loved math and science.
Before my one and only Pfizer vaccination, I was getting straight A's in advanced geometry.
Now when I look at my tablets and see equations I solved,
it's like I know my brain has solved those equations.
I can't do that.
And I can do that, but I can't reach that part of my brain that allowed me to.
It's just like it's out of reach.
I compare to how my brain works to being like a toddler who is learning the basic skills,
only what was natural now I have to think.
How to walk, reminding myself to breathe,
and consciously think how to make noise necessary to speak at times.
A toddler is learning for the first time.
I am relearning.
What I want you to understand for all the patients who you are seeing that can't express themselves,
don't give up on us.
We are still the same person inside our body that we were before the vaccine.
Help us get back to who we once were.
I thank God every day that I wake up in the morning and I am still here.
And every night I ask God to place a hedge of protection around Dr.
Pierre Corey, his family and colleagues, the doctors of FLCCC and help them fight.
To me, Dr. Corey and you all are the David's fighting Goliath.
And remember, David won.
We won all.
That was so beautiful.
I just want to say thank you guys for telling your story.
It's so powerful.
Very emotional for all of us to watch.
So I'm going to try to keep my stuff together.
But thank you, Kelly, for being so honest and brave.
And we're just all inspired by your story.
Okay, we've got a few questions we're going to get into.
We're going to probably go a little bit long into break,
but kind of bear with us.
I think it's important to get some of these out.
Dr. Corey, what was your daughter's inflammatory brain disorder brought on
by the vaccine injury?
Well, the shorter answer is I believe yes,
but it really was brought on by strep.
And that's something that's been described for 100 years
before this explosion in the childhood vaccine schedule.
However, the disease called panis started to be described and articulated only in the 1990s
because it was becoming more common.
And interestingly, the National Institute of Mental Health,
one of the researchers, Suzanne Suido, she started to try to categorize it clinically.
And they started to do research on it because they saw a lot of kids.
And what the panis really is, it's a neuropsychiatric disorder.
It's much more known for the development of ticks as well as OCD,
so severe OCD, food restrictions.
They think everything's contaminated with germs and endless washing and checking
and all of those things that disables these kids.
Luckily, my kids didn't have the OCD.
They really had mostly the neurologic component.
And one of the hallmarks of an inflammatory brain disorder is these dilated pupils,
my children, and this is why I lost it when I was talking to these neurologists.
I was like, you tell me why my daughter's pupils are the size of saucers?
And even Callie has that.
I've seen Callie have a lot, and she has an inflammatory brain disorder.
And they don't understand this.
They don't have an explanation for why a kid is bugging out with their pupils.
And so my kids had a lot of neurologic stuff.
But the point of that question, I should answer the question,
is that it was only later, after years, and it's because the founder of the organization,
I'm on the board, and she and I worked together hand in hand,
it was only later, like two years after we became really good friends.
And I was like, you know, Anna, do you think pandas has exploded
because of the vaccine?
She goes, absolutely, no question.
And so I discovered only about a year or two ago that I have vaccine injured children.
And because I didn't tell you that the other part is that I had another child
who fell ill with the same disease, 100% identical symptoms, same vocal tics,
same movement, same startle respects, same dilated pupils.
And that happened two years later to my other child.
The thing with her is we knew immediately what to do.
And we started treating her, and she was extremely ill.
And I tell you, she was extremely ill when I went to the front lines in New York to fight COVID.
One of the reasons is because my ex-wife was terrified
that I was going to bring COVID home because I was working the ICU and UW,
and I ended up resigning and I went to New York.
And I lived in New York, one of the reasons,
and my ex-wife was home taking care of my child.
So I've had two children become decimated by that disease,
and I do think it's associated with vaccines.
So, Pierre, I know you kind of talked about this a little bit,
but the question from anonymous, have you ever thought of trial of steroids?
Yeah, absolutely. I didn't include all of the notes,
but we have entertained doing that for whatever reason.
We get a little scattered, I think, at times in our order,
but we do plan on doing a steroid trial,
and probably should have done one earlier.
And the next one is about mabendazol instead of ivermectin for neuroinflammation.
I don't know enough about, well, ivermectin has helped kids with pans.
I don't know about pandas. What's the difference?
Pans has many different triggers,
and I've had kids with Bartonella-associated pans do really well with,
not I've had it, but I've heard of that.
But outside of that, I don't know if it's efficacy in this disease.
Although, we have tried it with kids with ivermectin.
I have seen some improvements.
And this one is about, did the family insisted you guys get vaccinated?
They do or say anything after the adverse reactions?
That's for you, Sunday.
That's for...
It's still a hot topic.
We don't talk about it.
We have agreed that I won't try to talk to them
about how they treat their children when they're sick,
and we will remain family and love each other
and keep our opinions to ourselves.
All right.
It's a tough one, I know many in this room are battling with, too.
Mayo is plainly the flagship store for the pharmaceutical industry.
What do you need to do as a community?
What do we need to do as a community to call this out?
Can I say one thing about that?
At one time, we were going to try and get Callie inpatient into a program,
and Mayo did the interview and denied having her admitted
because she couldn't conform to a schedule,
so she was too sick to be admitted.
The cruelty of this is neglect, malpractice,
needs to be in the face of Mayo patients and doctors every day.
Campaign to play these videos at entrance in Rochester,
I think this is reflecting just how angry all of us are on your behalf.
What's hard is what's the right way forward,
kind of to make a difference.
I don't want her to be subjected to the type of ridicule,
and I don't want her to get what Dr. Corey has gotten with the others.
It's taken her two years to finally be strong enough to come and talk to you guys,
and at first she didn't want her face shown,
and then she decided, if I'm going to help other people,
they've got to see my face, they've got to see what happens.
I still have a job to protect her as a mother.
I'm going to, Dr. Gauzda came up,
and she would like to say a couple of things,
and I'm going to invite her up and kind of pause on the questions,
because I think she had some very valuable things she can add,
so I'm going to do that for a couple of minutes.
First of all, I'm so sorry this happened to you and to your family,
and Dr. Corey, you did an amazing job with this case.
A pulmonologist becomes the best neurologist in the country.
Thank you. I am embarrassed to stand next to my colleagues in this country.
Neurologists are sometimes the hardest specialty that tries to change.
This case was obvious to me with the first video.
I agree with you. It was acute autoimmune encephalitis.
Probably she had stiff person syndrome with those bizarre contortions,
and I think that, again, you did a great job,
but what I want you to know is that the brain, you're young.
The brain has an incredible ability to heal,
and that's with neuroplasticity,
and I would be happy to be involved in your case for no charge
to help guide that recovery for you.
I do think here it would be good to get a neuroquant
and see how high her levels of neuroinflammation are,
and then direct treatment toward that.
Do a GAD antibody and see if she is GAD positive,
and I'm sitting next to Dr. Amy Offit,
who's the president of ILADS, and she wrote a note to me,
and it was check for Bartonella.
And it's like JP said yesterday,
when these patients, when we get stuck,
we have to think about these other things
as perhaps contributing now.
So my heart goes out to you, and I wish you all the best.
I see you making a full recovery.
So I just want to add one thing.
I remember, Suzanne, when I was in the throes
of my own daughter's illness, and my mentor said to me,
he said, Pierre, young brains heal.
And I just remember that was really reassuring to me
to hear that, and I think that's a good message for Kelly.
You know, it struck me with Suzanne coming up
and other doctors in the room potentially kind of having ideas.
We can do this together.
We talked a little bit this morning
about the community forums that we're building.
Like, we can't get all this information,
and we can't do these all the time,
but we can kind of take the ideas
and share these solutions with each other
and help so many more, you know, people.
So I just kind of make another plea.
That's a way that everyone can contribute in a way,
and we can kind of take that information in
and make sense of it as an organization.
So really thank everyone that talked today
and sharing your story, you know how hard
it must be to relive these really emotional times.
I'm so sorry you've had to go through this,
but I'm so happy to see you here today, Kaylee.
All right.
Thanks, everybody.
If you guys will indulge us a couple minutes into the break for...
I'd like to get Dr. Merrick up.
There's been so many questions on cancer,
and I'd like to do about five minutes
if everyone's okay with that.
I'm trying to squish it in the schedule
because we feel like it's important as well.
So just give us a minute,
and we'll kind of switch up the stage,
and we'll come back with that.
I think it's patients like this,
which is what motivates us to do what we do,
and the treatment of the system is just appalling.
It's just heart-wrenching.
Anyway, we got a whole bunch of questions to do with cancer,
so I thought I would just give you a framework
of what our plan is just so that you understand.
So we're going to have a web page on the website
devoted to cancer,
which will link to all the protocols.
We then going to have a list of all the practitioners
who are going to be participating
in our observational study listed there
so that patients can reach out to them.
We're not going to tell patients who to go to.
They can look at the list of providers
and decide who they want to go to,
and then they will be able to contact the providers.
Someone asked the question about
standard of care, litigation, those kind of issues.
So patients, when they see Nathan or they see Pierre
or they see Dr. Rowdy, sign a consent form
that they understand, they willingly acknowledge
they're not getting standard of care.
So we obviously have to be careful
because we're not providing standard of care.
We're providing alternative care,
and there will be some patients
who unfortunately will not pull through,
and obviously there is the risk of litigation.
So patients will sign an informed consent form
in which they freely, willingly, and understandably
acknowledge that they're not getting
what's considered the standard of care,
that they're getting adjunctive therapy.
And they will also sign in the consent form.
They will agree that their de-identified data
will be pulled in a central database.
So that's the other thing.
What we will also put, a number of people have contacted,
have asked me how can we help with the study?
How can we donate?
We will have a donate button
on the website so that people can donate directly
to us doing the study.
Were there some other questions?
You know, I just, I think that's kind of part
of what we'll need to do quickly after we get back here.
And we'll describe if we do a fund just for this cancer work
exactly what those funds would cover.
And the other thing I would suggest,
if anyone has any ideas or specific questions,
we'll try to work through this.
Just email support at flcc.net.
And then we'll do our best to kind of kind of,
kind of come up with any of the questions
and a better descriptor of all these elements.
So I think we got most of the questions.
The key questions, Paul?
Alrighty.
